Have a good one. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . Nose Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. There was a big banner from the 80s in one of our meeting rooms that read boycott bushmills they discriminate because they were from the north they didnt use to hire catholic workers. Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Though I like all of the ones mentioned above more. Ive tried to correct his misinterpretation but he thinks his name is funnier. Whoever owns Paddys also owns one of these bigger brands and wont export to the US because they know they would cannibalize their own market share. A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? Im coming to celebrate Repeal Da, Fall book drop. 2. Yup, only the americans give a shit about this stuff anymore. Drink is one thing that unites Ireland it is shocking to see that some, primarily in the US, try to politicise it. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! Just as in an area which is largely Catholic you would expect most employees to be Catholic. Believe in the Trinity of God. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. Talk about confused. I was born in buncrana moved to Derry then to Belfast and am now living in the uk Im Catholic and I must say I prefer Bushmills to Jamesons although Ive been a life Long fan of Jamesons it doesnt matter whether your Hun or teag drink what you like dont bring sectarianism into it itll spoil the taste. I wanted to explore one of t, @teremana has been my new favorite tequila since t, Happy Repeal Day! @Allen: Thats just my point. I came to mention Powers- it seems my work is done. Ive been to the area that Bush Mills in manufactured and its total UFV territory. This is now a historical landmark. Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. Will never forgive parents. All Irish whiskey is great. There was still a lot of Catholics in Scotland. I was wondering this myself. This is because Guinness is now seen as a world-wide iconic Irish brand and brings in lots of money to the southern Irish economy. Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. No coffee or anything green. Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. Does anyone know why these bottles were over there ? So, so stupid. To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). Just got back from Dublin yesterday & loved reading the post & all the comments here. Potatoes for supper Any particular reason why in 1998-1999 Bushmills would have distilled of at least bottle up for Jameson ????? Those of us that still drink enjoy guinness as our beer Last I was in Ireland, about three weeks ago, I bought two bottles at a shop for 22 each. It was also the period during which the Roman Catholic Church, as an entity distinct from other . The Emperor's war against the Lutheran princes put the first Protestant reformers in a difficult bind. catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! That was over 40 years ago. I was raised Catholic by my mother after the parents divorced when I was three. hint of linseed. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. The Thirty Years' War was a series of wars in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. I think Irish whiskey is like Scotch, meant for sipping, not mixing. Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . He said he was going to spend 90% of it on women and Irish whiskey and the other 10% he was going to waste! They have started construction now on a grain still on site now which means that the full three components of the blend will be produced in Tullamore. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. The Plantation of Ulster is when the King of England gave lands away in Northern Ireland to the English that originally belonged to the Irish. I must have been misinformed. Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. OK, OK, can be pretty good and certainly much cheaper. It wasnt an issue about who owns what. Powers Gold Label is also wonderful and dirt cheap. I do live in a Hicktown. Get over it and drink what you feel. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. Bourbon distillers only use barrels once, as the liquor gets its distinct flavor and color from the oak. [1] Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. Arthur Guinness was a Protestant and a Unionist. I visited Bushmills Distillery, and they were bottling both Bushmills and Jameson in the same facility!! Also, what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon??? There are many places in the States where old ideas hold fast including the brand of Ouisge Beatha you drink. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. Bushmills is produced from 100% malted barley and grain whiskey (which it receives from the Midleton Distillery in Co. Cork where Jameson is made). Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. Not that it really matters. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. They are just businesses making whiskey. I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. I do believe Irishness & Irish politics is whitewashed for Americans and presented from a certain political viewpoint. Privacy Policy | Yes, it is definitely misguided, even nuts, but its not a myth. It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. None of that means shit. Cant comment on the long term contract in Cork as I hadnt heard that, but I assume they have some sort of get out clause if there is a contract. As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. is that a catholic thing? Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. It has earned a permanent place in my cabinet right next to my Glenrothes 1995 which I prefer over all the other SM brands including MacAllan 18 & 25. Those whiskeys seem to get along just fine! This must be one of the most pointless debates I have seen in a long time. Not sure if it is available outside of Ireland, but if you can, get a hold of a bottle. It is calles an ORANGEMANhas nothing to do with Syracuse University. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). I come from the border and powers was the biggest seller by ten to one over any other whiskey,jemmy was next ,bush mills was not even on the optics and it was all about their hiring practices of workers and not the religion of their owners, @jen Also, you ask what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon? The regular is fine; the Black Bush is nice if maybe too refined for me when I want a dram of Irish. Cocktail Kingdom Stainless Steel Julep Strainer, Kuhn Rikon 4-Inch Nonstick Colori Paring Knife, UPDATE: So much has been discovered since this post originally went up, about the dangers of quinine in people with quinine sensitivity. West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. Despised it. Powers Gold Label is the best-selling Irish whiskey in its native Ireland. And it really is an Irish American thing to take to finding out which is protestant and catholic lol. Comment Also, I understand that corned beef and cabbage is not a traditional Irish meal but it is a traditional Irish American Meal, particularly in the North East. best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. My growing up yearsnot virulently anti catholic just plain anti-catholic. Never tried Redbreast for some reason. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. 1 line was bottling Bushmills. Rabble Rouser, Bushmills is not total UFV (sic) territory in the slightest. Me, Ill opt mostly for the great spirits of the independent Cooley Distillery, located just north of Dublin. I was wondering when someone would ask this question. Whiskey has no religion. Now I have a different taste preference and enjoy Bushmills in the warmer months and back to Jameson when it gets a chill in the air. Peter Knox Id be all up for emigrating from US to Ireland, in a heartbeat, but I read about the job prospects there are as bad (possibly worse) than here. Said to be the favorite of the Emerald Isle too. Who really cares. Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! And if you just like something different then Cooleys your distillery (though that Michael Collins stuff is shite). I live in a small town in Texas, I am Catholic and I am treated as if I am a leper. Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. Apparently it is, or was, a thing among certain Irish-Americans to signal their genuine Irishness by refusing Bushmills and drinking Jameson, supposedly the whiskey of Catholics and supporters of the Republic of Ireland. Entries are still open for the 2023 San Fr, This weekend, we hiked to the site of a natural ca, Valentines Day. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. [2] Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. If you dont beleive in god the whole situation would appear ridiculous. I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. . bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. Redbreast is my favorite but I only buy a bottle or so a year. The only option is to import a case in through the provincial liquor stores at about $35 CAD per bottle. The whole time I was in Dublin (or even while I was Belfast) I never once heard anyone say anything about any whiskey having a religion. When Tug McGraw was interviewed after winning the world series in 1980, they asked him what he was going to spend his series winnings on. The version that Im familiar with is, of course Jamison is Catholic and Bushmills is Protestant. For the record, despite the Scottish reformation, that doesnt mean Jamieson was a Proddy. In 1886, John Power & Son began bottling their own whiskey, rather than following the practice customary at the time, of selling whiskey directly to merchants and bonders who would bottle it themselves. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. I am pretty sure that if you visited the Guinness brewery in Dublin your guide would not have mentioned the fact about the companys discrimination against Catholics, let alone advise on boycotting it. Now, its important to note that the Scottish Reformation occurred in 1560, so odds are in favor of the founder of the Jameson distillery, being Scottish, was a damn Protestant. Hats off to all the others. [9] They were the first Dublin distillery to do so, and one of the first in the world. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. Bushmills, on the other hand, was officially licensed in 1608 by King James I (of Bible fame) and despite of its location deep in the heart of Protestant country (and this next bit is straight from my local Bushmills rep, so take it or leave it) has a Catholic as a master distiller. one night. But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. And as our clan motto states commit thy work to god. I rag on about political whisky to those who are green only on the 17th and 18th of March.Hell, I even I am for Bushmills especially sprinkled over banana bread. I can see you have been horribly scared by the conflict. As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. Like Jameson, it is blended whiskey, some combination of pure pot-still whiskey with column-still grain whiskey (allegedly 70% pure pot still to 30% grain). Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. Ive used Irish Whiskey in Old Fashions and Sours before with tasty results. During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. I drink and enjoy both, but based on my experience(s) in Ireland lets just say watching you order a Bushmills in Dublin would be very entertaining. And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. Liquorice-like sherry notes Fast forward 60 years. I am still cradling my Bushmills 12 yr Distillery Reserve Whiskey. According to everyone Ive spoken with on the subject, you only really find this debate in the States, where Irish-American support of the Republic can sometimes be blind and often fueled by the very product were speaking of. It retails slightly cheaper than Jameson in the US, at $16 a bottle. Mind you the order as I see it goes Knappogue 51 > Midleton Rare > Knappogue 15 > Redbreast > Black Bush > Knappogue 92 > Tullamore Dew (makes for the best Irish Coffee) > Then take your pick of the Jamesons/Bushmills/Cooley offerings. I dont give a rip shit about religion and in fact LOATHE the typical evangelical protestant types like Swaggart, Murdoch etc. Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. To this day, even though IDL sold the Bushmills distillery to Diageo a number of years ago, the bottling facility at Bushmills still handles some of the bottling of Jameson, Powers & Paddys. Just dont do anything silly like order it on the rocksits way too good for that. He said, no, Im Catholic, but I was born and raised in the town of Bushmills! Protestant whiskey is typically made in Northern Ireland, while Catholic whiskey is made in the Republic of Ireland. I usually drink my whiskey neat but would anyone be able to recommend an Irish whiskey cocktail/mixed drink that doesnt included coffee or a green liquid? Though Bushmills is the #2 Irish whiskey in the U.S., Tullamore Dew is #2 Irish whiskey (after Jameson) worldwide, so not too surprising that you would see it most places. Great smooth flavor and a soft long finish. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. (Ref. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. Oh and Bushmills was NOT licensed to distill in 1608Thats marketing Bullshit. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. [12] However, with many of the Irish distilleries having closed in the early 20th century in part due to their failure to embrace a change in consumer preference towards blended whiskey, Powers were instrumental in convincing the remaining Irish distilleries to reconsider their stance on blended whiskey.[8]. I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. Im not sure that it says anything more than that it isnt a strictly American argument. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference Some, like Jameson, are owned by Catholic companies. I have even concocted a drink for St. Patricks day,. But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. Im a Redbreast man first when feeling flush, but usually turn to Powers or the old John J when cash flow is normal. Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. After all, thats what the Jacobites were all about. If you had and asked for Bushmills, you would have received a long stare and possibly been asked to leave. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! This is excellent. Ian Paisley MP, Euro MP and MLA; universally known Doctor No. I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. Dont be so ignorant as to think about whether a whiskey is protestant or catholicidiot. This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. All of it. So, which Irish whiskey is Catholic? Corvallisbarman is half right. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. You say What can one expect from people [Italians] who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life?, To continue the original theme of this thread religion IMO, grappa proves the existence of God. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. One further chapter in the history that really debunks this myth is that between 1972 and 2005, both Midleton (makers of Jameson) and Bushmills were owned by the same corporation, Irish Distillers. The young fella attending to the store asked if I wanted Catholic or Protestant then he placed a two bottles of Bushmills on the counter one plain and one Black label. Jameson was moved down to cork and is my distilled in Middleton, though I believe it is blended in Clondalkin, which is a Dublin suburb. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. neither, Im a Jew. The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. The cheap Evan Williams Black Label at half the price (in the USA)has more taste and more of a kick. In side-by-side STEEL CAGES!! Powers is my number one as the every day Irish whiskey of choice. The root of this myth lies in the fact that Bushmills is located in the predominately Protestant and still British Northern Ireland. We intend to vigorously defend our position. Hi all, please dont reinforce past troubles by making brand choices based on hatred. It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. About 5 or 6 years ago they flooeded Irish bars with it just before St. Paddys Day,almost forcing bars to sell off a lot of free stock they received. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. The Protestant Reformation was a religious reform movement that swept through Europe in the 1500s. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. Bushmills is distilled in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. We were servedcorned beef and cabbage with California wine and a shot of Paddy cut with Baileys after dinner. Whiskey, or "uisce beatha" in the Irish language, is an integral part of Ireland and Irish culture. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. It is Bushmills that supplies single malt (The Old Bushmills Distillery is the only one of the three in Ireland that distills only triple distilled single malt whiskey, while the Midleton Distillery produces grain & pure potstill spirit and Cooley produces double distilled single malt, grain & potstill), as well as doing the bottling for Jameson, Powers & Paddys (All from Midleton, along with Red Breast, Greenspot & Tullamore Dew). The new bottling hall is also taking shape even though itll be a while before the on site whiskey will be bottled. All appointments are made solely on the basis of merit.. Along with a fellow sipper we have over most of the Irish brands listed here in this thread as part of a 30+ years Christmas gift exchange and tasting session. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. 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